defense spending should be cut. i think the democrats are -- there's less pressure on democrats to give away the store here. >> gloria, correct me if i'm wrong, didn't president, when he tried that deal with john boehner, he didn't he agree to significant cuts in medicare? >> yes, did he. he did. they were almost there once before. and there are different stories about who moves a goal post in that negotiation, but i would argue, if i were the president and i were going to van, i would say, look, this president has an opportunity right now to shape the future of american budgets, you know, the blue print for the american economy and for american spending priorities for a decade to come. >> sure. >> in this particular deal. and so if i were the president, i would say, look, it's not going to be perfect, but we really do have an opportunity here, and i have an opportunity as president of the united states to lead this country into fiscal solvency again. if each side -- we can't get what's perfect. >> but let me speak